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On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:24 AM, Kohn-ll emailed the homeowner:


Good morning, I am in receipt of your fencing request, however, the application is incomplete at this time. The Board will need an official plot map or survey with fencing lines sketched in as to review the proposed placement in relation to the property lines, setbacks, and easements. You may submit that information back to this email for processing. Thank you.



From: shayna taylor Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:34 AM To: Architectural Info (Kohn-Ell)


The homeowner emailed back and wrote: Good morning, I don't have a copy of my plot map, and I read in the bylaws that I can sketched out my own so that is what we did. We read all the guidelines and flowing them thanks



Report from Me to Brandis at Kohn-ell.


9/11/2020 - Noise violation past 10pm at night. Loud music and partying in the backyard. Please check to see if this house has permission to have the fence that is installed and also the massive wooden deck they have built behind their house please.


She sent me the arc form for the Fence that also included some back and forth between kohn-ell and the homeowner. I'll attach it here.



From Kristy Payne: Mon 9/14/21 12:59pm, To: Brandis Wheeler (Kohn-Ell) I emailed Kohn-Ell and wrote:


Can you send them a letter telling them they need to submit a form for the deck they have built in their backyard please.


See said she would send them a letter.



From: Jerry @ J&L Landscaping <> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:39 AM To: Carole Sagun <> Subject: Swale at Camelot - he attached a bunch of pictures of the swale and fence


Jerry sent the email above to Carole who handled stormwater stuff. So Brandis forwarded the email to me.



From: Brandis Wheeler <> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 10:36 AM Subject: Fw: Swale at Camelot


Please see email from Carole and advise.



From: Kristy Payne <> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 11:39 AM To: Brandis Wheeler <> Subject: Re: Swale at Camelot


Hey Brandis. This is the house that was having the party the other day and I submitted the complaint form and asked you to check on that deck that has been built without permission. What do we do about asking them to move their fence? We didn't approve it. They are supposed to get a city permit first. If the city gave them the permit and allowed it, who is at fault? I don't know how to handle this.



Brandis Wheeler <> Fri 9/25/2020 11:41 AM


Hey Kristy, I did speak with the homeowner on the one your are speaking about and she said she did fill out the request but it wasn't ever told it was approved and went ahead and put it in the fence and did the patio thinking she could since it was like others in the community. I told her she cant do that and needs to send it in and one for the deck. We should get that soon.

All that being said once she sends it in you can ask for it be moved. As for the permits from the City the forms does say you should get the proper permitting but we don't manage that area that they do get them. The Arch comm. needs to make sure when approving the fences it is not on areas that will compromise these type of issues or on easements. Hope that helps. Let me know how you would like me to handle this.



Architectural Info <> Wed 10/7/2020 8:02 AM To: You; Brandis Wheeler; Esperanza Harper (Chair) ; Selby Lo ; Tisha Johnson Cc: Brandis Wheeler


Dear Committee: Please review the attached architectural change request and advise.  This request was sent back in June and we had to get additional info. from the homeowner through July; however, I don’t see any correspondence about this property since them.  The homeowner did say that the style of the fence would be the same as others in the community.



Selby Rempfer <> Thu 3/11/2021 8:24 AM To: Architectural Info Cc: You; Brandis Wheeler; Esperanza Harper (Chair); Tisha Johnson


I'm circling back on this request. I think it got lost in our emails. ARC votes to deny this request.



Architectural Info <>

Thu 3/11/2021 8:32 AM To: Selby Rempfer Cc: You; Justin Hobbs; Esperanza Harper (Chair); Tisha Johnson


Thank you Shelby,

Can you provide me with a reason of denial so I can include in the letter.



Selby Rempfer <> Thu 3/11/2021 8:37 AM To: Architectural Info Cc: You; Justin Hobbs; Esperanza Harper (Chair); Tisha Johnson


The HO built the fence over the swale, which is prohibited by the City of Raleigh.


Architectural Info <> Thu 3/11/2021 8:54 AM To: Selby Rempfer Cc: You; Justin Hobbs; Esperanza Harper (Chair); Tisha Johnson


Thank you Shelby, Homeowner will be notified of denial via email and letter



Architectural Info <>

Thu 3/18/2021 8:15 AM To: Selby Rempfer Cc: You; Justin Hobbs; Esperanza Harper (Chair); Tisha Johnson


Good morning Shelby,

Homeowner has reached out in response to the denial letter she received:

Per homeowner:

Good morning, my name is Shianne Taylor, I am the owner of the property at 4717  Queen Pierrette st Raleigh NC 27610. I  got a letter in the mail on 03,16,2021 about a year after my fence has been up saying that my Architectural request has been denied for this reason: That I built the fence over a swale.  So what am trying to say is when I built my fence I followed all the rules and proper guideline, and in this guideline, there was     NOTTING in these guidelines that said anything about any SWALE are tell me that I cannot build the fence over it.   So what is really the problem? because I feel like am renting this property and I don't appreciate it. I attach a copy of the guidelines that I followed.



Architectural Info <>Mon 3/22/2021 8:44 AM To: Selby Rempfer Cc: You; Justin Hobbs; Esperanza Harper (Chair); Tisha Johnson


Good morning Shelby, 

Per homeowner:

Good afternoon, where can I find the information for the appeal process because I did see anything about,  City Permit to put up a fence on my property. And if possible I would like a hearing with the Board and the City at the same time so someone can explain to me the harm my fence is causing.


Shelby replied back to Kohnell and showed them where it said a permit was needed and also how to appeal the process. I saw the email and emailed Kohn-ell. It’s below.



Kristy Payne Mon 3/22/2021 10:42 AM To: Architectural Info


Hi. I would not know how to set up a board hearing and a meeting with the city at the same time. That would be impossible to even do I'm sure. But if it gets to the point of setting up a board hearing with the homeowner, just let me know. Thank you.


After no response, I emailed them again. It’s below.



Kristy Payne Sun 4/18/2021 12:29 PM To: Stephanie Johnston



Can you please give me an update on this address and their fence. Their fence is already installed before approval. It's going over the swale and causing issues because it can no longer be maintained on their property. We need them to move the fence off the swale. Try to find out for me if we did in fact deny and the homeowner is aware they need to move the fence off the swale. Thanks.



Architectural Info <> Wed 4/21/2021 9:18 AM


Good morning Kristy,

Homeowner was sent a denial 3/11/21 please see attached.


Attached to this email is what she sent me in this email.



From: shayna taylor <> Sent: Saturday, May 1, 2021 2:21 PM
To: Architectural Info <> Subject:


Hello ,My a name is Shianne Taylor the owner of the property 4717  Queen Piierrette St . I am responding to a letter I resaved  in the mail on 5/1/2021 about my fence I was not aware of any violation when I was putting up my fence  I did send an a application that you guys take forever to respond to and I explained that the person that was doing my fencing could only do it a certain  time , but you guys ignored my request. so I went ahead with my fencing because my neighborhood was using my back yard for a dump they were putting everything in my back yard ,and i explain this when I reach out to you guys. When I had my fencing put in I follow the guidelines that was in the by-laws  about  putting up fences and there was noting included about in there about a swale. And also  one of my neighbor in neighborhood did her fencing the same way and yes I spoke her. Whit all that said I do not think I violation thanks.



On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 2:20 PM, Architectural Info <> wrote:


Good afternoon,

I will relay this email to the manager and they will get back to you.



From: shayna taylor <> Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 3:15 PM To: Architectural Info <>; Architectural Info <>


Good afternoon, can I the person who is in charge email please because I sent this email already, and can someone please tell me what problems my fence is causing ? These emails are getting to be very annoying. 



On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 3:28 PM, Architectural Info <> wrote:


the denial says:

Homeowner built fence over the swale which is prohibited by the city of Raleigh. Thank you



From: shayna taylor <> Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 3:39 PM
To: Architectural Info <>; Architectural Info <>


Other homeowner have there fencing the same way mine is, no one is sending them any letters or emails i know this because I ask them. And on the  instruction document there was noting state on there about any swale the documents said i should fence in all my property and leave 6ft out and that is what we did ,so again can I PLEASE the information for the person In charge thanks.



From: Justin Hobbs <> Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 9:35 AM
To: Board Members


Dear Camelot Village BOD:

Please see email (below) from homeowner in response to receiving letter about fence over swale.



From: Kristy Payne [] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 11:28 AM
To: Justin Hobbs <>


Hey Justin,

Here are pictures and videos of the swale.

I also included the message from the homeowner asking about the fence. I also included her video.

You can see they are actually starting the fence in this video over the swale first.

Link works if you want to see




On May 5, 2021 at 1:16 PM, <Justin Hobbs> wrote:



Mike and I had a conversation about this fence.  He said the best solution might be to inform the City of Raleigh.  The homeowner may be more willing to listen to the City.

Do you have a contact from before?



From: Kristy Payne [] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2021 3:23 PM
To: Justin Hobbs <


Okay. Let’s first send them a warning letter. That their arc was denied because their fence is over the swale. And because they refuse to resubmit another arc form with Dimensions that will take the fence off of the swale and are refusing to move it off the swale, then we will report them to the city of Raleigh. I want an official letter on file first before contacting the city. 


That’s when I contacted the city and the city said handle it thought the HOA. So I had Kohn-ell send them another warning letter.

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